Since I’m in Toronto with a full wallet, and compared to Vancouver it has drastically superior night time party options, I decided to spend a couple nights out. This is by no means a comprehensive guide to Toronto nightlife, as it’s a huge city.
I haven’t taught night game professionally for about five years, as it just burned me out dragging stressed out newbies around Vancouver bars watching them get blown out over, and over. Also, I have a hard time being in bars and not drinking, which is just bad for health. Not to mention getting home at 4am and waking up at noon. The hangover and late start make my days very unproductive. But, I decided to go out and do some research.
My first night I went to a small and very packed night club called Wildflower.
I had the benefit of being friends with the promoter, and had a table, which I figured would help with social proof and all that. Unfortunately there were three other promoters there, with all of their, “friends,” who were really just broke asses hovering around trying to mooch free drinks off the promoters.
The girls in this club were very attractive, and I did manage to have a few grind their butts on my crotch, and a short makeout, but mostly because I was drinking from the table service and they wanted access to our booze. I opened a bunch of others who were relatively friendly, but since the bar was so crowded I’d just get ping-ponged around by the constant traffic from the bar to the dance floor to the bathroom. The women all clutched each others hands, caravaning and huddling in tight circles, jerking off their straws or staring into their cellphones, seemingly uninterested in socializing with anyone who wasn’t Drake. I left at 1:30 am.
The next night I went to the Madison.
It’s a massive student pub with plenty more room than the club. I opened about ten ladies, and most went nowhere as every time I met a receptive woman, her fat friends would drag her away and they go on their caravan to nowhere. For some reason everyone in that bar is either in a massive social circle, or in a hand holding caravan, and I couldn’t help but hear this reverse beach boys song, “Five guys for every, girl!”
About the, “Caravan,” phenomenon.
Most women in bars and clubs clutch their cellphones, and each other’s hands, while driving frantically through the crowds in a line like school children on a field trip, forever looking…for something. They go in and out of rooms, stopping only to stare at and type frantically into their cellphones, while scanning the room, then ignoring or mocking any men who have the balls to approach them. Then they carry on with their caravan to the next location. So I asked some girl why women do this, and where are they going in such a rush? “To find hot guys,” she said. “But all you have to do is stand still and smile,” I said. Then her friends grabbed her hand and pulled her away into a caravan. Good times!
It’s not futile. But not good.
I found one young Asian/Canadian girl putting out the, “please pick me up,” vibes, approached her and we made out. She was my eighth try. But then she became obsessed with finding her friends, and wanted me to follow her on this strange, “girl in a bar,” quest around the venue until I just stopped following her, and said, “I’m not a dog.” She didn’t like that, and then some dude swooped in and bought her a drink, which she chugged back in about thirty seconds and ditched him. I made out with her again later, even though she was mad at me for not following her around. And I’m staying in a hostel, and she lived in the suburbs so that didn’t happen.
Toronto is a massive city with a very diverse population, and a lot of hot girls. But in my opinion, it’s not a great city for single men.
I don’t know if it’s the over all thirst of men, or the post-feminist career student culture, or what, but nobody I know seems to do really well with women here. When they do get a hot girl they boyfriend up quickly. And most of the women I meet seem to be single, but totally uninterested in men until they’re nearly blackout drunk, and then they’ll make out with anyone who says hello, until their less attractive friends drag them away. There is a massive obesity problem here, and a lot of really ripped, good looking, thirsty men. So the women are very spoiled for choice. I hear dating apps are very popular with women in Toronto. So if you’re in the top 10% of good looking chads, maybe that will be better.
I did meet some really cool, affectionate and social women, who were all from latin countries and there with their boyfriends, who totally didn’t mind I was hitting on their women. God bless them.
I think you could do well at night game here, but you’ll have to put in hard numbers game, and find the right venue. Perhaps lounges, or dive bars would be better than clubs and student bars. I’d say if you’re trying about fifty times a weekend you should find some success, maybe with a one night stand, or by collecting a few dozen phone numbers. But after two nights out, and spending about fifty bucks on $8 pints of Budweiser, I think I’ll stick to the streets and coffee shops for flirtation locations.
Then again, my night game skills are quite rusty. I’ll do more research for daygame and let you guys know what I think.
After many trips here, I’d say if you’re a single dude, Toronto is a good place for practicing, but a bad place for living.
You’ll have to do some hard numbers game if you want any results. It’s possibly even worse than Vancouver. My tip is to look for women who are foreign, or new in town. That or just have really great logistics, like a nice place not far away. If you’re staying at a hostel or in the suburbs, Toronto won’t be friendly for night game. The last time I got laid here I had to fuck a girl in an alley because she lived with her parents at 26 years old, and I was staying in a hostel. Toronto rent is expensive as hell.
You won’t find an AirBnb for under $100 a night. Hostels average about $50 a night. The transit is $3.25 each way. At least they have Uber.
If you live in Canada and really want to have a good time at night, move to Montreal, or go to lesser tier cities like Winnipeg where women are dying to meet men who aren’t hillbillies meth addicts.
If you have really amazing approach skills. high energy, and no day job, you’ll do fine. But it’s going to be many hours and hours, and late nights. But then again, I’m just a tourist here. If I lived in Toronto and decided to torture myself with night game, I’d probably have much better data for you.
My advice for Toronto, stick to daygame, look for receptive women and don’t waste time chasing “maybe,” girls. Go out at night for fun once in a blue moon, and approach like a robot. Good luck.